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James Garrison -

在德国太阳能已被广泛应用。
In Germany solar energy is been widely used.

Thats my take on the above sentence, but I am not a native speaker nor hardly an expert. However,
I was under the impression that it could only be read as "has been widely used" if the 已 were
replaced by 过. Does "已" denote the present perfect?



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Quest -

已经 adverb. already
被...应用 verb. passive. utilized










skylee -

You cannot replace 已 with 經 in the sentence you quoted. You can however replaced 已 with
已經. They mean the same.

已 and 已經 mean that something has already happened.










James Garrison -

Okay, 已经 means the present perfect. I guess since Chinese isn't as strict as English I could
also interpret 已经 as the past simple? 过, however, is always the present perfect, right? How
do 已经 and 过 differ in use?

Argh. I wish grammar had a face so I could slap it, hahaha.










skylee -

Take a look ->

已/已經



Quote:

Already: 已經 [yi3jing1]↓;
已去，已來 already gone, come;
會已散meeting already closed;
已久 already a long time;
已亡 already dead;
已冠 over twenty years of age (“already capped”).

過



Quote:

Used to express a completed action (pr. ’[guo1]): 讀過 have read about it;
聽說過 have heard of it;
看見過 have seen it;
吃過了 have had one's meal;
打過招呼 have said hello to s.o.;
遞過暗號 have given s.o. a secret signal.

Look at it this way: 已/已經 is an adverb, it is used like "already" in English, and is put
before the verb. 過 is like a suffix to turn a verb to describe a past action, and is put after
the verb.










Altair -



Quote:

Argh. I wish grammar had a face so I could slap it, hahaha.

Absolutely!



Quote:

Okay, 已经 means the present perfect. I guess since Chinese isn't as strict as English I could
also interpret 已经 as the past simple? 过, however, is always the present perfect, right? How
do 已经 and 过 differ in use?

I think that terms like "present perfect" and "past simple" apply very well to English, to many
other European languages, and to a few other languages; however, I think these categories are
extremely awkward in reference to Chinese and will cause confusion. There are many different
Chinese structures than can correspond to what we in English call "present perfect" or "past
simple," because Chinese makes different distinctions than we do in English. Neither language is
more strict than the other, they are just strict about different things.

As for 已经 basically meaning "already," I believe this is correct; however, there are
occasional uses where it merely seems to suggest completeness or change and where we would not use
"already" in English. Here is an example of the latter usage:
清圣祖虽是少年天子、但天资聪慧、机智过人、平素努力学习历代统治经略�
��已经逐渐成熟。Kangxi (The Qing Emperor Shengzu), although he was a young emperor, was
naturally intelligent and exceptionally resourceful. He usually worked hard in studying the
governing strategies of the past dynasties and gradually matured.












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aimee08 -

Hi, does anyone of you know where can I find a list with the same characters that are pronounced
in different way?

I mean like the 觉 of
juéde - 觉的
or
shuì jiào - 睡觉



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skylee -

You mean something like this? -> http://www.ccss.edu.hk/playground/22...%A4@%C4%FD.pdf

It's in traditional Chinese btw (HK website).










helenlee -

In Chinese we call them duo yin zi(pinyin) 多音字, I have found some on the web and copy them
here. Hope it will help you. If you want to find more, you can paste "多音字 " on "goole web
search" and you will find many websites about it.
This is one of the web http://xh.5156edu.com/showzip18317.html
Then 108 多音字 on one of the web:
1、单：单（shàn，姓）老师说，单（chán匈奴族首领）于只会骑马，不会骑��
�（dān）车。
2、折：这两批货物都打折（zhé）出售，严重折（shé）本，他再也经不起这�
��折（zhē）腾 了。
3、喝：武松大喝（hè）一声：“快拿酒来！我要喝（hē）十二碗。”博得众
食客一阵喝（hè） 彩。
4、着：你这着（zhāo名词）真绝，让他干着（zháo动词）急，又无法着（zhuó
）手应付，心里老是悬着（zhe）。
5、蕃：吐蕃（bō藏族的前身）族在青藏高原生活、蕃（fán茂盛、繁多）衍��
�几千年。
6、量：有闲心思量（liáng）她，没度量（liàng）宽容她。野外测量（liáng）
要量（liàng）力而行。
7、沓：他把纷至沓（tà）来的想法及时写在一沓（dá）纸上，从不见他有疲
沓（ta）之色。
8、烊：商店晚上也要开门，打烊（yàng晚上关门）过早不好，糖烊（yáng溶��
�）了都卖不动了。
9、载：据史书记载（zǎi），王昭君多才多艺，每逢三年五载（zǎi）汉匈首�
��聚会，她都要载（zài）歌载（zài）舞。
10、曝：陈涛参加体育锻炼缺乏毅力、一曝（pù）十寒的事情在校会上被曝��
�bào）光，他感到十分羞愧。
11、宁：尽管他生活一直没宁（níng）静过，但他宁（nìng）死不屈，也不息�
��宁（níng）人。
12、和：天气暖和（huo），小和（hé）在家和（huó动词）泥抹墙；他讲原则�
��，是非面前从不和（huò）稀泥，也不随声附和（hè动词）别人，更不会在�
��将桌上高喊：“我和（hú）了。”
13、省：湖北副省（shěng）长李大强如能早些省（xǐng）悟，就不致于丢官弃
职、气得不省（xǐng）人事了。
14、拗：这首诗写得太拗（ào）口了，但他执拗（niù）不改，气得我把笔杆�
��拗（ǎo）断了。
15、臭：臭气熏天的臭（chòu）是指气味难闻，无声无臭的臭（xiù）是泛指��
�般气味。
16、度：度（dù姓）老师宽宏大度（dù名词），一向度（duó动词）德量力，�
��不以己度（duó动词）人。
17、哄：他那像哄（hǒng）小孩似的话，引得人们哄（hōng）堂大笑，大家听�
��一哄（hòng）而散。
18、丧：他穿着丧（sāng）服，为丧（sāng）葬费发愁，神情沮丧（sàng）、��
�头丧（sàng）气。
19、差：他每次出差（chāi）差（chà）不多都要出点差（chā）错。
20、扎：鱼拼命挣扎（zhá），鱼刺扎（zhā）破了手，他随意包扎（zā）一下
。
21、埋：他自己懒散，却总是埋（mán）怨别人埋（mái）头工作。
22、盛：盛（shèng）老师盛（shèng）情邀我去她家做客，并帮我盛（chéng）��
�。
23、伧：这个人衣着寒伧（chen），语言伧（cāng）俗。
24、创：勇于创（chuàng）造的人难免会遭受创（chuāng）伤。
25、伯：我是她的大伯（bó），不是她的大伯（bǎi）子。
26、疟：发疟（yāo）子就是患了疟（nǜe）疾。
27、看：看（kān）守大门的保安也很喜欢看（kàn）小说。
28、行：银行（háng）发行（xíng）股票，报纸刊登行（háng） 情。
29、艾：他在耆艾（ài）之年得了艾（ài）滋病，整天自怨自艾（yì）。
30、把：你把（bǎ）水缸把（bà）摔坏了，以后使用没把（bǎ）柄了。
31、传:《鸿门宴》是汉代传（zhuàn）记而不是唐代传（chuán）奇。
32、荷：荷（hé）花旁边站着一位荷（hè）枪实弹的战士。
33、涨：我说她涨（zhǎng）了工资，她就涨（zhàng）红着脸摇头否认。
34、奇：数学中奇（jī）数是最奇（qí）妙的。
35、炮：能用打红的炮（pào）筒炮（bāo）羊肉和炮（páo）制药材吗？
36、给：请把这封信交给（gěi）团长，告诉他，前线的供给（jǐ）一定要有�
��障。
37、冠：他得了冠（guàn）军后就有点冠（guān）冕堂皇了。
38、干：穿着干（gān）净的衣服干（gàn）脏活，真有点不协调。
39、巷：矿下的巷（hàng）道与北京四合院的小巷（xiàng）有点相似。
40、薄：薄（bò）荷油味不薄（báo），很受欢迎，但要薄（bó）利多销。
41、拓：拓片、拓本的“拓”读 tà ，开拓、拓荒的“拓”读 tuò 。
42、恶：这条恶（è）狗真可恶（wù），满身臭味，让人闻了就恶（ě）心。
43、便：局长大腹便便（pián），行动不便（biàn）。
44、宿：小明在宿（sù）舍说了一宿（xiǚ）有关星宿（xiǜ）的常识。
45、号：受了批评，那几名小号（hào）手都号（háo）啕大哭起来。
46、藏：西藏（zàng）的布达拉宫是收藏（cáng）大藏（zàng）经的宝藏（zàng
）。
47、轧：轧（zhá）钢车间的工人很团结，没有相互倾轧（yà）的现象。
48、卡：这辆藏匿毒品的卡（kǎ）车在过关卡（qiǎ）时被截住了。
49、调：出现矛盾要先调（diào）查，然后调（tiáo）解。
50、模：这两件瓷器模（mú）样很相似，像是由一个模（mó）型做出来的。
51、没：驾车违章，证件被交警没（mò）收了，他仍像没（méi）事一样。
52、舍：我真舍（shě）不得离开住了这么多年的宿舍（shè）。
53、殷：老林家境殷（yīn）实，那清一色殷（yān）红的实木家具令人赞叹不
已。
54、还：下课后我还（hái）要去图书馆还（huán）书。
55、系：你得系（jì）上红领巾去学校联系（xì）少先队员来参加活动。
56、假：假（jiǎ）如儿童节学校不放假（jià），我们怎么办？
57、降：我们有办法使从空中降（jiàng）落的敌人投降（xiáng）。
58、脯：胸脯（pú）、果脯（fǔ）不是同一个读音。
59、间：他们两人之间（jiān）的友谊从来没有间（jiàn）断过。
60、石：两石（dàn）石（shí）子不够装一卡车。
61、劲：球场上遇到劲（jìng）敌，倒使他干劲（jìn）更足了。
62、茄：我不喜欢抽雪茄（jiā）烟，但我喜欢吃番茄（qié）。
63、刨：我刨（bào推刮）平木头，再去刨（páo挖掘）花生。
64、弹：这种弹（dàn）弓弹（tán）力很强。
65、颤：听到这个噩耗，小刘颤（zhàn）栗，小陈颤（chàn）抖。
66、扒：他扒（bā）下皮鞋，就去追扒（pá）手。
67、散：我收集的材料散（sàn）失了，散（sǎn）文没法写了。
68、数：两岁能数（shǔ）数（shù）的小孩已数（shuò）见不鲜了。
69、参：人参（shēn）苗长得参（cēn）差不齐，还让人参（cān）观吗。
70、会：今天召开的会（kuài）计工作会（huì）议一会（huì）儿就要结束了�
��
71、簸：他用簸（bò）箕簸（bǒ）米。
72、吓：敌人的恐吓（hè）吓（xià）不倒他。
73、胖：肥胖（pàng）并不都是因为心宽体胖（pán），而是缺少锻炼。
74、耙：你用梨耙（bà）耙（bà）地，我用钉耙（pá）耙（pá）草。
75、伺：边伺（cì）候他边窥伺（sì）动静。
76、好：好（hào）逸恶劳、好（hào）为人师的做法都不好（hǎo）。
77、咳：咳（haī）！你怎么又咳（ké）起来了？
78、处：教务处（chù）正在处（chǔ）理这个问题。
79、囤：大囤（dùn）、小囤（dùn），都囤（tún）满了粮食。
80、缝：这台缝（féng）纫机的台板有裂缝（fèng）。
81、澄：澄（dèng）清混水易，澄（chéng）清问题难。
82、扇：他拿着扇（shàn）子却扇（shān）不来风。
83、得：你得（děi必须）把心得（dé）体会写得（de）具体、详细些。
84、屏：他屏（bǐng）气凝神躲在屏（píng）风后面。
85、几：这几（jǐ）张茶几（jī）几（jī）乎都要散架了。
86、卷：考卷（juàn）被风卷（juǎn）起，飘落到了地上。
87、乐：教我们音乐（y&＃7909；è）的老师姓乐（y&＃7909；è），他乐（lè）�
��助人。
88、了：他了（liào）望半天，对地形早已了（liǎo）如指掌了(le)。
89、吭： 小李一声不吭（kēng），小王却引吭（háng）高歌。
90、粘：胶水不粘（nián）了，书页粘（zhān）不紧。
91、畜：畜（xù）牧场里牲畜（chù）多。
92、称：称（chèng同“秤”）杆的名称（chēng）、实物要相称（chèn）
93．弄：别在弄（lòng）堂在玩弄（nòng）小鸟。
94．俩：他兄弟俩（liǎ）耍猴的伎俩（liǎng）不过如此。
95、露：小杨刚一露(lòu)头，就暴露（lù）了目标。
96、重：老师很重(zhòng)视这个问题，请重（chóng）说一遍。
97、率：他办事从不草率（shuài），效率（lǜ）一向很高。
98．空：有空（kòng）闲就好好读书，尽量少说空（kōng）话。
99．泊：小船漂泊（bó）在湖泊（pō）里。
100．朝：我朝（zhāo）气蓬勃朝（cháo）前走。
101．膀：膀（páng）胱炎会使人膀（pāng）肿吗？
102．校：上校（xiào）到校（jiào）场找人校(jiào)对材料。
103．强：小强（qiáng）很倔强（jiàng），做事别勉强（qiǎng）他。
104．塞（sài）外并不闭塞（sè），塞（sāi）子塞（sāi）不住漏洞。
105．辟：随意诬陷人搞封建复辟（bì）可不行，得辟（pì）谣。
106．倒：瓶子倒（dǎo）了，水倒（dào）了出来。
107．都：大都（dū名词）市的人口都（dōu副词）很多。
108．匙：汤匙（chí）、钥匙（shi）都放在桌子上。










heifeng -

here we started a thread: http://www. /showthread.php?t=17287
and here

and there are probably a ton of books on them too. Even online you can just search 多音字 Have
fun....










heifeng -

wow, you guys answer fast...I thought I was gonna be able to post first on one of my favorite
topics ...hehe










aimee08 -

oh thank you so much!!!!
I didn't know they are called 多音字， so I couldn't search if there were already open thread,
sorry.










skylee -

Here is a list in simplified Chinese with 243 (if I count right) 多音字 in doc format -
常用多音字规范表 ->
http://www.lbx777.com/ywfj/ywcs/wz/images/cydyz01.doc

I note that 着 and 著 are two separate entries on this list. hmmm ...










aimee08 -

thanks skylee, that's perfect










roddy -

Attaching two files.

The .doc file is a simple list of the 108 多音字 in the link above suitable for importing into
your preferred flashcard program (although how that flashcard program handles 多音字 is another
matter).

The .txt is a Plecodict friendly list of all words in the increasingly laggard HSK database which
contain any one of those 多音字. Bear in mind that some 多音字 may only have one
pronunciation within the HSK lists - all of those words will still be included. Eg 单 results in
简单 etc appearing, although the shàn version doesn't.

I would probably have been wiser to use the longer list of 243 to generate this, but I happened to
be looking at the shorter one of 108 when I started thinking about this. If anyone wants to come
up with or find a clean list of the 243 that I can just plug into the database I'll be able to
generate a more complete list of associated words. What also might be useful is a list of
多音字 within the scope of the HSK.

The Pleco format, in case anyone wants to convert it to something else, is just

// LIST NAME
CharsPin1yin1
CharsPin1yin1










roddy -

Attaching:
A list of all characters in the 现代汉语常用多音字词例, one entry per pronunciation.
About 300 characters, just under 700 pronunciations. There's a 次常用多音字词例 also,
about one third of the length. Will post that if / when I do it. For reference the
现代汉语常用字表 (ie not just 多音字) is about 2,500 characters, the 次常用 1,000.

It's called a 词例 as there's a third column, with lists of words for each pronunciation, or an
explanation, which I haven't typed in, and don't plan to if importing into Plecodict has decent
results (which is why I have one entry per pronunciation, rather than multiple pronunciations per
line)

The list does some odd stuff, eg omits huǐ for 会, includes a neutral tone 点 because of 打点
but not for similar words, etc.












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Radial -

Well... I have a new version of the Windows error... I have been trying to run the program on a
Chinese version of Windows XP SP2... when I try to start the program... all I get is a black dos
window and then a error message saying that it is going to close.

I tried to do the workaround, but I cannot identify what is the option... and cannot find anything
indicating a US version of unicode. Any other suggestions about what to do?



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Quote:

I would have been very interested to see that article differentiate between the Hong Kong and the
Mainland's CURRENT legal market more clearly - they simply cannot be considered as one "Chinese"
unit yet, even if firms do "aggregate" the performances of their offices in their figures.

Here are some examples of the work that one of the big UK firms is doing in mainland China:
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jujubeans119 -

very interesting thread! just stumbled on it now. id have to say that i somewhat agree with the
economist article, although its not always that black and white as the article paints it to be.
learning chinese (or any foreign language for that matter) is not a be all and end all, it will
still largely depend on each person's context ( as all of you gave excellent examples of) and how
a person uses that skill to his/her advantage.










dan ni er -

I disagree with a lot of what has been said here. I work for one of the large accountancy firms
and all the positions they advertise to non-Chinese nationals require proficiency in Mandarin. If
you want to work in China, unless you're a partner, it's absolutely essential in my opinion.










roddy -

Dan ni er, and anyone else in similar situations - how easy do your companies find it to get
foreign staff with Chinese proficiency and whatever professional skills / qualifications your
sector requires. Are there lots of Mandarin-fluent qualified lawyers and accountants floating
around, or do you end up employing people who have 'fluent' on their resume but end up saying
things like '请给我end-of-month report'?










rob07 -

I work for a leading Australian law firm that aims to be a leading Asian regional firm, and has
offices in Shanghai and Beijing comparable in size to some of the largest UK and US firms.

They regularly hold presentations and send out firm-wide encouraging people to apply to work in
their Asian offices, including Shanghai and Beijing. If you have two or three years of experience
in a transferable area like M&A, they have made it very clear that no language skills at all are
required as a lot of the work is done in English and they employ several full time translators.










dan ni er -

Roddy in answer to your question, from what I can tell there are some fluent mandarin lawyers and
accountants, however, I think they're mostly ABCs, BBCs etc. I suppose it would be difficult for
someone who didn't grow I speaking chinese at home, to reach fluency in Chinese and manage to fit
in getting a professional qualification along the way.

In reality, you are correct that the Chinese speaking foreigners end up saying stuff like "qing
gei wo nei ge annual report". But I think most chinese would say that too these days!

Rob7 - I suppose if your firm has full time translators then working in China would be a lot
easier, but I suppose M&A is a very international area of law. It may be a lot harder if you
specialised in say trade & customs, where meetings with the local government authorities would be
conducted in Chinese.










venture160 -

as for working at a law firm... I think at the top international law firms here in Beijing a good
half of the partners speak decent Chinese. As for legal assistants, usually a partner has a team
of assistants, of which maybe 1-3 are foreign, of which usually 30% have good Chinese. If you are
22-27, have decent Chinese (including reading) and are a graduate from a western university
finding a job paying 20K rmb a month shouldn't be a problem. But don't forget you will NEVER get
off work before 7pm and will work weekends. you will be owned. This is coming from friends of mine
who work in law firms.










dan ni er -

Without meaning to digress, 20K for a chinese speaking foreign lawyer seems very low. I would have
thought it would at least be double that for someone with a couple of years experience behind them.










venture160 -

well they are legal assistants not an actual lawyer or partner












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Rrina -

I hope I have the title right!... Supposedly this is a very popular Cantonese opera or song, or
both... Sung by a man and woman.
Would love to have the lyrics, preferably in pinyin. Or traditional characters; at least now I've
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ABCinChina -

Hello, I've tried to search Google for TOEFL flashcards much like the HSK flashcards that I'm
currently studying with the Mnemosyne software, but for English words with the explanations in
Chinese. This is for my girlfriend who is a China girl.

I would teach her English myself, but my work keeps me busy so I would like her to study on her
free time when I'm at work. Does anyone know if theres a good place to download these or if they
exist? I'd really appreciate it.



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I don't know if there are such flashcards for TOEFL, or whether TOEFL has a standard list of
vocabulary, like the HSK does. I know, however, that there are word lists for the GRE Verbal
floating around China (the infamous red book), so there could be some for TOEFL too.

I would recommend asking university students, especially the ones who are interested in studying
abroad. If there is something, they'll know.










ABCinChina -

Thanks for the info. That's why there isn't cards floating around on the internet.












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82riceballs -

該:
i know that this word means "should," but how come I often see it used in confusing ways?

e.g. 該資訊中心表示，患者罹病的形態輿去年秋天的情況非常相似，。。。
他企圖改變話題而將該問題一帶而過。

thanks in advance (how would u say that in chinese?)



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Quest -

It can mean "this".
先谢了。










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該（该），has several meanings and can be combined with other characters to form a phrase.

A. “该” , short for “应该”, means “should/ought to”.
For example, 你应该努力学习了。 你该努力学习了。

B. “该”, means “this”.

C. “该”, means “be one's turn to do sth”.
For Example, “In a class, a teacher asked his students to tell a joke one by one. You were the
fifth student to do it. When the fourth finished, the teacher said to you, Hey, 82riceballs,
该你了! / or该你讲了! /or 该你讲笑话了！”

D. “活该”, means deserve.
For Example, 你活该！You deserve it!

E. “该死”, means damn it.
For Example, one day you invited your girlfriend to have dinner together in a beautiful
restaurant. When you both finished the meal, you said to your girlfriend,
“该死！我今天忘记带钱包了！”










82riceballs -

thanks!












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CheukMo -

Then it must be an American martial arts mis-translation or a Cantonese thing. Ma bu or ma bo are
used as horse stance. Here are a couple of examples:
"Yi Ji Kim Yeung Ma" - “Character Two Goat Gripping (Basic) Stance”
"Saam Gok Ma" - “Triangular Advancing/Retreating Stance”

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imron -

that link is invalid for me, even when going through a proxy. Does the page provide characters for
these stance names, and if so are you able to post them here?










zozzen -

imron, Google China possibly disables cache function.

Here is the original text, in Word format:
http://www.fighting-talk.org.uk/uplo...0Peterson).doc










imron -



Quote:

Google China possibly disables cache function.

Like I said, it wasn't working even with a proxy, but the file you provided opens fine, although
unfortunately it doesn't contain characters.

A quick search on a few Wing Chun sites however reveals that it is the same 馬, so I guess it's
probably a style-by-style difference, or maybe a north/south difference.












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OneEye -

Sometimes I see 这 written with 2 dots over the radical and sometimes it is only one. In Pleco it
has 2 dots (but not in the magnified frame) and in other places it has only one. Pleco isn't the
only place I've seen this (HanziHelper has it too, but only when you print out character practice
sheets). Is it a variation or is it an error?



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muyongshi -

Which radical? I just checked my pleco and there isn't two dots (at all). Not sure what it is that
you are seeing...










skylee -

The difference may be due to different print fonts.

As far as I know, this is how the character should be written ->
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OneEye -

Skylee, I think that's what it is. Some of the characters look like different characters in Pleco
than in other fonts. 还 is another, and 着. I think some of them have to do with the size of the
fonts, so certain strokes don't show up or they get distorted. I'll have to tinker with it (just
got Pleco two days ago).












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wrbt -

I can't make sense of this sentence about Beijing Opera actors in the essay at:
http://clavisinica.com/CVP/opera.html

他们身上的精湛技艺和敬业精神都一去不复返了

Thanks in advance for any help.



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What it's saying is that the current generation will never be able to compare with the last
generation. The way the last generation did it, there make-up and such (I'm paraphrasing) has gone
and will not come back.

It's kind of like saying it can never be as good as the original.

Hope that makes sense! (does it?)










wrbt -

Yes that makes sense. Tough idiom to see from the literal, thanks a lot for the help I appreciate
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roddy -



Quote:


Originally Posted by meself

I'm doing one this Friday, will let you know what I reckon. I'm pretty sure heifeng has done a
write up on the one she took.


Turns out I wasn't, I did a standard HSK test. If I'd known that I might not have bothered going
along and if they'd told us we'd have to wait a month for the results I certainly wouldn't have
bothered. Didn't do the speaking / writing.



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So.................there isn't going to be a revised exam next year? I'm not really sure how to
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Alvinho -

I'm aiming at learning Chinese mandarin next year.....until next year's march I gotta enhance both
English and Spanish......after that I want to study another language along with Chinese but I
haven't decided which one will be yet....

However, about Chinese firstly I'd like to know some basic sentesies used in everyday life......it
would be nice to start off the language with those basic tips...

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我爱喝啤酒 -

New here, hi all. I've racked my brain trying to do this translation, and it all is too awkward to
me to translate, why I don't know. If you could help with a couple sentences, I'd appreciate. I'll
show you the non-sense I've come up with...

北京领导人胡锦涛筹画近一年的对台斗争策略终于登台亮相，其运作轮廓正�
��陆续浮现，虽然这些仍只是其中一小部分，但灵活程度已令许多观察家跌��
�眼镜。

The document Beijing's leader, Hu Jintao, has prepared for close to a year finally takes the
stage. His operation outlines emerge one after the other, although these are still only a small
part, but flexibility has made many observers unsuccessful. [complete non-sense]


用尽了共产党过去擅长的隐蔽统战斗争，还是拉不下陈水扁，这种郁闷的心�
��在五一
七中台办，国台办的当前两岸关系声明中发挥得淋漓尽致。一句<中国人民不
怕鬼，
不信邪>道尽了北京当时进退两难的处境。

Exhaustion of the CCP in the past has excelled in concealing the United Front's struggle,
nevertheless unable to pull Chen Shui Bian. This type of melancholy mood on May 17th at the Office
of Taiwan Affairs, the Office of Taiwan Affairs current cross-strait relations statement is
completely uninhibited. There's a saying, "Chinese people can't fear ghosts, they don't believe in
them," ........

I don't even understand the last part. As you can see, I have a small indication of what in the
world is going on, but clearly, it's non-sense. Can someone please help me. Thank you!



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北京领导人胡锦涛筹画近一年的对台斗争策略终于登台亮相，其运作轮廓正�
��陆续浮现，虽然这些仍只是其中一小部分，但灵活程度已令许多观察家跌��
�眼镜。

My attempt -

The strategy against Taiwan which has been planned for nearly a year by Hu Jintao, leader of the
Beijing regime, has at last shown its face. The operation framework is becoming clear. Although
what can be seen is only a small part of the plan, its flexibility has surprised many observers.










skylee -

用尽了共产党过去擅长的隐蔽统战斗争，还是拉不下陈水扁，这种郁闷的心�
��在五一
七中台办，国台办的当前两岸关系声明中发挥得淋漓尽致。一句<中国人民不
怕鬼，
不信邪>道尽了北京当时进退两难的处境。

My attempt -

Having exhausted all the propaganda manoeuvres in the background which the Communist Party was so
good at in the past, Chen Shui Bian was yet to be brought down. The disappointment was obvious in
the statement on the current cross-strait relations made by Taiwan Affairs Office of CPC Central
Committee and Taiwan Affairs Office of State Council on 15 May. The statement "The Chinese people
are not afraid of ghosts, nor will they be intimidated by brutal force" showed clearly the dilemma
faced by Beijing at that time.












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