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    September 07

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    Andy-Ru -

    Hi everyone!! A few days ago, I saw a guy on the train with a tattoo of 獅子座 and was
    wondering what this meant. Does it refer to the constellation Leo?

    Thanks



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    monto -

    Yes. 獅子座 = Leo. It's totally of Western.












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    September 06

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    venture160 -

    Sure, but its not that realistic if you work in chengdu to commute an hour everyday....



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    magores -

    Type of accomodation: Rented apartment.
    City/Area: Beijing, on Xidawang Lu, near Shuangjing Carrefour
    Description:
    -1 bedroom, good sized bathroom, smallish kitchen
    -living room is big enough for a dining area near the balcony
    -windows face East, so I get morning sun
    -26th floor of 26
    -new apt complex, gated, security, etc
    Rent: 3300/mo paid quarterly. Utilities (except for heating) are extra. 1-year lease.
    Found via: Agent (long story I described in this post:
    http://www. /showthread.php?t=20338)
    Came with: All new matching furniture sets, appliances except microwave (was a wedding gift,
    landlords want to take with them.)
    Landlord / Building management: Landlords are a couple that recently had a baby. They are moving
    to new place for a couple/few years, will want to move back eventually. The wife is very nice.
    Speaks excellent English, as does her Physics professor father.

    When found: October 2007

    (I added the "when found" because I think that might be helpful for people considering that the
    current rental/property market in Beijing is crazy compared to previously.)










    muyongshi -

    I moved back in December and absolutely love my new place:

    110 sq. meters+balcony; 2 Bedroom, 2 Bath, 1 Gigantic Living room, and a dining room (kitchen's a
    given)
    Price: 400 RMB a month
    Simply finished and pretty bare, no furniture just the sinks, toilets, a few counters, stove and
    water heater
    Rented initially for a year but will probably give 2 years next time (landlord doesn't want to be
    renting for short periods of time and I don't mind longer contracts, good bargaining chip)
    Found it by walking into the complex and looking at a piece of paper stuck on the wall

    The money though that I saved on rent allowed me to buy all the furniture I need and in the next
    year will allow me to buy some NICE stuff.

    Also it is roomier than my old place and after I slapped a fresh coat of paint on the main areas,
    fixed up those things, good cleaning, put pictures up it was good to go!










    roddy -

    Anyone else moved into a new place for the new semester? Must be a few out there . . .










    mr.stinky -

    ok, i'll bite....

    moved into a new place last november, in a recent (15 years?) non-high rise complex.
    300m to bus stop, with four lines running to school. bus ride is 4 stops or ~10 minutes.
    otherwise 8 minutes by bicycle door-to-door.
    loads of small restaurants and food stalls nearby, 5-minute walk to carrefour.

    apartment is about 70 meters, huge living room with attached very clean kitchen.
    two bedrooms with wood floors, small sunroom off the bedroom.
    loads of cabinets in kitchen and bedrooms.
    bathroom has tub and toilet, although i had to install a water heater.

    4th floor (52 steps), away from traffic noise in center of complex.
    rent is 700/month unfurnished, utilities extra. paid nine months in advance (as i
    think i'll be moving someplace warmer then).

    found via local agent's signboard.










    skylee -

    I've just moved to another apartment in the same development. The place is of the same size and
    layout of my previous one but the rent is almost doubled.

    City - Hong Kong

    Type of accommodation - Rented apartment

    Description - 556 sq ft, unfurnished, well-maintained 20 year old building in a private housing
    estate of 50 multi-storey buildings, some of which are on the waterfront (mine faces the hills). 2
    bedrooms, 1 living room, 1 bathroom, 1 kitchen.

    Rent - HKD13,000 for 1st year, HKD14,000 for 2nd year, paid in cheques monthly (I gave 12
    pre-dated cheques to the landlord one year in advance). Rent exclusive of utility charges. 2-month
    security deposit. Two-year lease.

    Location - Heng Fa Chuen, with a metro station just downstairs, very convenient yet quiet.

    Found via - real estate agency.

    Came with - 3 air-conditioners, many cupboards/wardrobes, curtains, gas stoves.

    Here are some photos. You can see I am still unpacking (actually I've stopped unpacking and have
    no idea how to deal with those six solidly packed boxes of books .......)










    cdn_in_bj -



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by skylee

    I've just moved to another apartment in the same development. The place is of the same size and
    layout of my previous one but the rent is almost doubled.


    Why is the rent double that of your previous place? Is there currently a shortage of housing in HK?



    Quote:

    Description - 556 sq ft, unfurnished, well-maintained 20 year old building in a private housing
    estate of 50 multi-storey buildings, some of which are on the waterfront (mine faces the hills). 2
    bedrooms, 1 living room, 1 bathroom, 1 kitchen.

    I take it that 556 sq ft (~55 sq m) is the actual sq footage, given that there's 2 bedrooms...



    Quote:

    Rent - HKD13,000 for 1st year, HKD14,000 for 2nd year, paid in cheques monthly (I gave 12
    pre-dated cheques to the landlord one year in advance). Rent exclusive of utility charges. 2-month
    security deposit. Two-year lease.

    Is that HKD 14k for the entire year, or per month? I'm guessing it's per month, as it would seem
    to be too low the entire year, but still if it's monthly then that is a lot higher than I was
    expecting even for HK! Also, I find it interesting that a rent increase has already been included
    in the lease - it seems rather unfair to the tenant. Though it's nice that you can use pre-dated
    cheques - this is one area where the mainland is still really behind.



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    Location - Heng Fa Chuen, with a metro station just downstairs, very convenient yet quiet.

    For those of us that aren't too familiar with HK, is this considered to be a good middle-class
    type of area?

    I'm just curious - do you have any idea what this apartment would cost to purchase?



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    Here are some photos. You can see I am still unpacking (actually I've stopped unpacking and have
    no idea how to deal with those six solidly packed boxes of books .......)

    Thanks for sharing those. I see what appears to be a patterend ceiling in the first photo of your
    living room - did they wallpaper the ceiling?? Also, your fridge looks really short - is that the
    standard size over there?

    As for your books, I suggest you find a corner to stack those boxes.










    skylee -

    Hi, cdn_in_bj. Re your questions, the rent is doubled because the property prices in HK are
    rising. I started the lease of my previous apartment in 2003 when the economy was pretty bad so
    actually the rent back then was very low.

    556 sq. ft is the gross area, not actual. But the place is pretty big for me. Don't judge the size
    of a HK apartment on a mainland scale ...

    The rent is monthly rent. I don't think the rent increase is unfair, as the landlord has to commit
    to a two-year lease. Considering that the whole lease is only worth $330K, I think it is a good
    bargain to secure a two-year lease (assuming rising property prices). Otherwise (more flexible,
    cheaper rent) the landlord might kick me out after say 12 months and I would have to move again.

    Heng Fa Chuen is on HK island with its own metro station. I think it is a good choice for the
    middle-class. And I like it as I am a HK islander and the place is quiet with very few outsiders
    (if you don't live here there are not many reasons to come). Some people who need to travel after
    midnight, however, find it inconvenient as the metro closes at about 1:00 am. There are many such
    big private developments throughout HK. Tai Koo Shing, for example, which is closer to Central and
    also has its own metro station, is like 40 years old but is still very expensive.

    To buy a flat like this here you will need to spend about HKD 3.3 million (transaction date 3
    April 2008 ) (source).

    And yes the ceilings are wallpapered. The fridge is the smallest and cheapest (but with a freezer)
    that I could find. I used to have a bigger one. But since the fridge is just for water and beer I
    got a smaller one.

    As for the books, I've managed to push the boxes to a corner in the spare room (too heavy for me
    to stack them up though).










    cdn_in_bj -



    Quote:

    556 sq. ft is the gross area, not actual. But the place is pretty big for me. Don't judge the size
    of a HK apartment on a mainland scale ...

    Ok, I won't compare HK to the mainland; I've already stopped comparing the mainland to North
    America



    Quote:

    To buy a flat like this here you will need to spend about HKD 3.3 million (transaction date 3
    April 2008 ) (source).

    That works out to be HKD 5924/sq ft or HKD 65k/sq m. Wow.

    It seems that HK real estate is on a tear and so are rents!

    Anyways, thanks for answering my questions!










    cdn_in_bj -

    Here's my way-overdue contribution to this thread:

    Accomodation 1:

    Date: Feb 07 - Nov 07
    Type of accomodation: Rented apartment
    Description: 1 bedroom (separate, not studio), 55m2, new building (I was the first tenant of this
    unit). Had both north and south facing windows, which was a bit unusual for a small unit.
    Rent: 1800Y a month, paid quarterly. Public heating and property management fee included,
    electricity and gas extra.
    Location: Outside of west 4th ring, just west of Yuquan Rd and Chang An. 15 minutes walk from
    subway.
    Found via: Local housing agent - I had pretty much settled on the apartment complex, and went to
    the various agencies in the area to find units for rent. I paid their fee of 75% of one month's
    rent (was originally 100%, but I negotiated down).
    Lease: Signed for 1 year, but my landlords terminated the lease early as they decided to sell the
    unit. As per our contract, they paid me an early-termination penalty of one month's rent and
    returned my initial deposit.
    Came with: Not much - new sofa (low-quality), second-hand TV, fridge, and washer. 2 AC units but
    both without heating function. Bed came with dirty Chinese-style "mattress" (1" padded board) - I
    bought my own mattress. I also installed curtains over the bedroom windows and a shower curtain in
    the bathroom. Later on I also eventually purchased a microwave oven, and a coffee table and floor
    lamp from Ikea.
    Landlord / Building management: Landlords lived in the same complex, a couple of buildings over.
    It was obvious that this was their first time renting, but they were nice. The building management
    was responsive the few times I needed to call them. All gates to the complex had tight security (a
    good thing), and I felt safe living here.
    Notes: My landlords knew from the start they'd be renting this unit out, so they spent the least
    amount of money possible renovating and furnishing it. But I was somewhat in a hurry to find a
    place and the price was right (other better-furnished units in the same complex were going for
    around 2200Y).

    Accomodation 2:

    Date: Nov 07 - present
    Type of accomodation: Rented apartment
    Description: 1 bedroom (separate, not studio), 57m2, east facing unit. Building is 5 or 6 years
    old but this was and still is considered to be one of the better complexes in the area.
    Rent: 2500Y a month, paid quarterly. Property management fee included, electricity and gas extra.
    No public heating in this building - units have gas furnaces for the heating and hot water. So I'm
    paying for heat, but the good thing is that I can have heat whenever I want.
    Location: XuanWu district, near GuangAnMen bridge. Not sure how far of a walk it is to the nearest
    subway.
    Found via: Local housing agent - again, I had settled on the apartment complex, and went to the
    various agencies in the area to find units for rent. I paid their fee of 100% of one month's rent.
    This time I didn't directly negotiate the agency fee - instead, I was able to negotiate the
    monthly rent with my landlord, which had the effect of reducing the fee.
    Lease: Signed for 6 months.
    Came with: Everything I need, even an extra mattress (so a total of 3 mattresses, including the
    one I had purchased while staying at the 1st apartment!), plenty of built-in shelving and storage
    space. This is quite a contrast to the 1st place. The only downside is that the TV is tiny, but I
    don't watch a lot of TV/movies these days so no biggie.
    Landlord / Building management: Landlord lives out east, but is very easy to get a hold of and was
    responsive to issues relating to my initial move-in. No complaints with the building management
    and again security is very good, which is especially important as this complex isn't in the best
    area like I mentioned above.
    Notes: This is the type of place that I could see myself living in long-term. Well, maybe if it
    were a bit bigger. The complex is well-managed and strictly guarded. The building, while not that
    old by western standards, has actually held-up pretty well by Chinese standards. The main giveaway
    that this isn't a newer building is that I can sometimes hear noise from the units above and
    beside me in the mornings.

    I had looked at a few units in another complex nearby which weren't as strictly with the security
    - there were lots of written and posted ads in the hallways of the buildings, they didn't leave a
    safe impression at all.












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    September 05

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    cui ruide -

    Hey folks, I have a couple of questions about the BNU program...

    1. Does tuition include housing and/or food?

    2. Regarding short-term study (3, 4, 5 weeks, etc.)...can you start this any time of the year, or
    is still within the normal time frame of a normal semester?

    3. What are the dates of the normal semesters?

    Thanks.



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    adrianlondon -

    1. No, accommodation is separate and there's a choice depending on what type of luxury/sharing you
    want. Food is cheap in the student canteens, about 4y a dish.

    2. I didn't know BNU did short term courses apart from the Summer course.

    3. No idea; their website is notoriously rubbish. Which semester were you interested in?










    monto -



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    3. What are the dates of the normal semesters?

    Chinese educational system is of two semesters in a year, one in the Spring (February) and another
    in the Autumn ( Often 1st September). It slightly differs from one school/uni to another (around a
    week or so).










    extrapages -

    cui ruide,

    i dont know anyone who has joined in the middle of the semester and only stayed short term.
    everyone began and ended following the semester schedule.

    re: the summer program, i found out, is not open to individuals - but only to students that come
    to bnu through a partner university from overseas (SOAS, EAP, etc.).

    the semesters at bnu this past year:

    FALL SEMESTER 2007
    entrance test: sept 4
    first day of class: sept 10
    mid terms: nov 15,16
    last day of class/finals: jan 14,15
    ---
    SPRING SEMESTER 2008
    entrance test: feb 20
    first day of class: feb 25
    mid terms: april 17-18
    last day of class/finals: june 9-10










    cui ruide -

    Thanks guys, I'm just trying to get a general idea. I'm thinking about getting back over there
    winter 08-09/spring-09 and feel like I should get back in the classroom to polish what will by
    then be my rusty Chinese before looking for some work. Originally I was thinking a couple of weeks
    (maybe a short, intensive month), but it seems a semester is really economical--just a matter if I
    want to spend the time. Still a ways off though, so I have time to consider. ;p












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    September 04

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    Nork02 -

    Hi all!
    can I use 早 instead 早上好?....if so, can I use them in the same situation/context?
    Thanks



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    monto -

    Exactly the way you say "Morning" instead of "Good morning".










    dsrguru -

    monto's analogy is accurate. Just note that some speakers, perhaps Taiwanese or southern
    Mainlanders, use 早安 (zǎo ān) instead of 早上好. I said 早上好 to a Taiwanese friend,
    and he was like "What the hell? Morning good?" So I tend to use 早安 or just a plain old 你好
    to be safe.










    BLCUP -

    早is not very formal, but it's short, so people use it in daily life especially in casual life.
    早上好 is a formal use, you can use it in formal occation or meet one people in the morning for
    the first time.










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    Thank you!












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    September 03

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    krishnamurthyu -

    Hi , I am preparing for HSK - Intermediate . I am finding Listening section (3) is more difficult
    than any other section could you pls give me some suggestions or strategies should be used for
    listening section. Moreover this is the first time preparing for "Listening Exam".

    I am listening to podcasts and audios. If spoken a bit slowly or replayed i can understand
    clearly. Exam is on April-12 so Pls give some strategies which can I use in exam .



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    Scoobyqueen -

    Hi,

    I find that reading out sentence per sentence (ie repeating what you hear on your mp3) helps. It
    allows focus on each individual word and tones in context and also introduces another "memory"
    variable (speaking), which can further aid the listening skills.

    Also, I find it helps listening to a text sentence by sentence and then write them in hanzi, a bit
    laborious perhaps, but I feel it enhances the connection between listening and hanzi (not
    including the pinyin which is a third variable to contend with). Revision also plays a key role
    here. I find revising three to four times with a given time interval helps retain the material
    whether it be aural, oral or reading comprehension.

    Someone else in this forum has given an exhaustive account of how he/she significantly improved
    the listening skills using a number of well thought out tactics.










    Scoobyqueen -

    You probably would be well advised to use dedicated HSK material. Often the listening section is
    full of colloquialisms which I am not sure are used in such a focused fashion in other sources.










    wushijiao -

    You might want to try the book I recommended:

    http://www. /showth...=hsk+listening

    Good luck!










    Scoobyqueen -

    Wushijiao - thanks for recommending this book. I too have got it but could not get hold of the
    listening CDs (which I shall be buying when going to China).
    Incidentally the author, who has international experience, teaches Chinese for foreigners at
    Tsinghua and has also written other HSK books.












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    September 02

    Chinese School - Please tell me what the image says! -








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    Here's the image link : http://www.digitalsoilworks.com.ar/pict.jpg

    Please, i really need to know what does the image says.
    I'll thank 3 months to whoever tells me.


    !!!


    pikazhi.



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    renzhe -

    What are the characters on the left? The top one looks like 星, I'm not sure about the bottom one.










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    asynk, the main character in the image is the traditional form of 愛. Its Pinyin representation
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    星辰 is the writer's name, which means 'stars'.












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    zhwj -

    崔少明 was one of the founding contributors to Yazhou Zhoukan, which he left to become the
    managing editor of Next Magazine when in started in 1990.

    I can't find any references to him in English, but that might be because I'm not searching with
    the right terms - how would his name most likely be written?



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    zhwj -

    And I finally found it myself - Tsui Sio-ming (he has a blog on Blogspot which is how I finally
    stumbled across it).

    Doesn't look like he uses an English given name.












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