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    January 11

    Chinese Speaking - Craftworks of Beijing



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    Craftworks of Beijing

    ( 2008-07-10 )

    Because it was the ancient cultural city of China, there are many consummate skills handed down from generation to generation, such as cloisonné, ivory carving and jade carving. These craftworks distinguished by their dense eastern style are the best choice of souvenir for the visitors. You can
    pick up one or two of them for yourself or friends from antique markets or feature shops in Beijing.

    Artificial Flower

    The Artificial Flower, or Juan Hua in Chinese, has been a traditional handicraft since ancient times. As early as the Tang Dynasty (618-907), women began to wear artificial flowers on their hair as decoration. And the middle of Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) was a booming time for this folk art. These
    vivid flowers are made from all kinds of colorful silks by skilled craftsmen. As a result of thousands of years' development, there are now over 2,000 kinds of artificial flowers, including the fireproof garland mounted on a candleholder and the waterproof flower branch. As well as artificial
    flowers, the craftsmen can make dolls from silk. The colorful dolls with a variety of designs are also very popular.

    Cloisonne

    Cloisonne, or Jing Tai Lan in Chinese, which is also known as enamel is a kind of copper craftwork. It first appeared in Beijing in the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368) and prevailed during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644). Cloisonne is a perfect combination of copper and porcelain. It is made by using copper
    as the basal material with brass wires fixed to the body of the copper in some designs. Then blue glaze is applied to the brass wire. After a series of complex procedures, such as burning, burnishing and gilding, the cloisonne is done. This process can be used to make articles such as headgears,
    lamps, smoking sets and other vessels of all shapes and sizes.

    Dough Figurine

    Dough Figurine, or Mian Ren in Chinese, is a simple folk handicraft demonstrating high artistic quality. It has a history over 1,340 years. The vivid figurine is made by skilled craftsmen from sticky rice dough mixed with pigments, honey and olefin. After cutting, slashing, pinching and twisting
    the dough, a lifelike child, beautiful girl or other creations will come out in the twinkling of an eye. You can witness the craftsmen making dough figurines along the exhibition streets in Beijing and you will be astonished by their excellent skills.

    Ivory Carving

    Ivory Carving, or Ya Diao in Chinese, in Beijing enjoys a history of as many as 3,000 years. The excellent techniques and well-developed imagination of the skilled craftsmen give the ivory a new life with their knives. It is an exquisite and delicate craftwork that is loved by people at the first
    sight. In ancient times, the Chinese emperors regarded the ivory carving as a royal tribute. Because ivory is now in short supply and there are fewer young craftsmen, ivory carving may soon be a lost art.

    Jade

    Jade has been considered the king of the precious stones by Chinese for over 5,000 years. It is regarded as an auspicious thing standing for goodliness, heavenliness and preciousness. In ancient times, people wore jade to show their status and position on society. There are lots of craftsmen with
    a high level of skill in Jade Carving. The jade vase, figurine, bird, animals and flowers are so well-made that they appear lifelike.

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    January 10

    Study Chinese - Silk Road



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    Silk Road

    ( 2008-07-09 )

    The Silk Road winds its way through numerous lands and deserts, colorfully stretching its way through the civilizations of Asia, Europe and Africa. It was through the Silk Road that the four great ancient Chinese inventions of papermaking, gunpowder, the compass and printing were diffused across
    the world. Likewise, breathtakingly splendid silk production, Chinese tea and porcelain were also spread throughout the globe. The exchanges of material culture along went both ways, with Europe also exporting a wide range of goods and plants to meet the demands of the Chinese market.

    The Origins of the Silk Road

    The German geographer F. Von Richtofen coined the term “Silk Road” in 1877. It refers to the major trade route linking China with Southwestern and Central Asia and India. Starting during the Han Dynasty (202 BC-220 AD), this route was used to transport a variety of trade goods, of which silk
    was the most important. The Silk Road originates in the Chinese interior, passes through Northwestern China, and continues west across Asia. Providing links with ancient overland routes to Africa and Europe, the Silk Road paved the way for extensive political, economic, and cultural exchanges
    among widely separated regions and ethnic groups.

    China was the first country in the ancient world to cultivate the mulberry plant, raise silkworms, and produce silk items. To the present day, silk remains one of China's greatest offerings to the peoples of the world, surpassing every other Chinese product in the scope of its distribution.
    Although trade in various other Chinese products was concentrated along roads known the "Jade Road," "Gem Road," "Buddhist Road," and "Porcelain Road," in actuality these routes represented only individual segments of the Silk Road. In the end, this great artery of commerce and exchange will
    always be known for its most important product, silk.

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    January 09

    Learn Mandarin online - Weightlifting



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    Weightlifting

    ( 2008-07-08 )

    Weightlifting is an ancient sport in China. People in ancient times paid great attention to the exercise of strength. A great variety of contests of strength have been recorded in Chinese history books. As early as the Spring and Autumn and the Warring States periods (770 -221 BC), two forms of
    weightlifting contest called "qiao guan" and "kang ding or ju ding" had taken shape.

    "Qiao guan" was a kind of weightlifting in which "guan," a heavy door bar, was lifted by a man grasping it by one end with a single hand. "Qiao guan" remained in vogue up till the Tang Dynasty (618 -907), but it was then no longer a contest of strength among imperial court warriors. Instead, it
    became a subject of cadet examinations, and door bars were replaced by weights that were made according to prescribed specifications.

    In "kang ding or ju ding," a meat-cooking vessel, or "ding," was lifted by holding its two loop handles. "Kang ding" was most widely practised in the State of Qin, where a famous muscle man named Wuhuo reportedly lifted a vessel weighing 500 kilograms. Professional "kang ding / ju ding" activities
    began to appear in the Han Dynasty (206 BC -AD 220), along with other forms of weightlifting such as pulling up a tree and lifting a deer.

    Stone objects weighing 100, 125 and 150 kilograms came into use in the Ming (1368-1644) and Qing (1644 -1911) dynasties. As stone objects were easy to make and popularize, weightlifting using stone locks and stone bars became a traditional sport among the populace.

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    Learning Mandarin - Kite Flying



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    Kite Flying

    ( 2008-07-08 )

    Kite flying is one of the most popular traditional sports in China. Kite, called Feng Zheng in Chinese, originated in China and it has been praised as the forerunner of modern aircrafts. Its history can be traced back to more than 2000 years ago. Legend has it that, the first Chinese kites were
    made of wood and called Muyuan (wooden kites) by the famous architect and carpenter Lu Ban during the Spring and Autumn Period (770-476BC); after the invention of paper, kites began to be made of this new material called Zhiyuan (paper kites).

    Since the Han Dynasty (206BC-220AD), kites were used for measuring and messages transmitting. During the Tang Dynasty (618-907), people fixed on kites some bamboo strips which, when high in the air, would vibrate and ring in the breeze like a zither (a stringed instrument). Since then, the popular
    Chinese name for kites has become Feng Zheng (wind zither). Kite flying became a recreational game during the Song Dynasty (960-1278) and was spread to Europe in the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368). Gradually kite flying became a seasonal activity -- the main kite flying season occurs from Chinese New
    Year (usually in January and February) through Qingming (usually in March or April) because of favorable winds.

    The process of kite making has four steps: selecting, covering, painting and flying. For the frame, the right kind of bamboo must be selected. It should be thick and strong for a kite of large dimensions in order to stand the wind pressure. For miniature kites, on the other hand, thin bamboo
    strips are to be used to reduce the weight. Both sides of the crosspiece should be equal in width. The second step in the making of a kite is the covering of the frame. This is normally done with paper, sometimes with silk. Silk kites are more durable and generally of higher artistic value. The
    third step is painting. Painting of the kite may be done in either of two ways. For mass-produced kites, pre-printed paper is used to cover the frames. Custom-made kites are painted manually after covering. Many of the designs bear messages of good luck; a pine tree and a crane, for example, mean
    longevity, bats and peaches wish you good fortune and a long life, and so on.

    People nowadays make colorful kites in the shapes of animals, birds, butterflies, fishes and centipedes. Some animal-shaped kites are designed so they can roll their eyes and flutter their wings.

    Beijingers are most famous for their kite flying hobby. Nowadays, kite flying has become a popular recreation far and wide in China. In 1989, the International Kite League was established, headquartering Weifang in Shangdong Province. The well-known Weifang Kite Festival has become an annual
    feature in the country, drawing hundreds of participants each April from home and abroad.

    The kite is mainly, but not only, a plaything. It has contributed to science and production. In 1782, Benjamin Franklin, a noted American scientist and statesman, studied lightning and thunder in the sky with the help of a kite and then invented the lightning rod.

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    * Emblem of the Beijing 2008 OYC ( 07-10 )
    * Emblem of the Beijing Olympic Cultural Festival ( 07-10 )

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    * Illustrated Olympic giant panda story comes out
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    * Concert by Macao Chinese Orchestra
    * Kataklo Athletic Dance Theatre
    * UK Contemporary Exhibition
    * The Russia Star Ballet

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    January 07

    Chinese Studies - Ancient Coins 3



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    January 06

    Chinese Pinyin - Imaginary Space--Jerry Uelsmann Retrospective



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    Imaginary Space--Jerry Uelsmann Retrospective

    Time: 2008.1.25--2008.2.24

    Venue: Guangdong Museum of Art

    Introduction: Jerry Uelsmann’s works are different from the photography in our mind. His works presented visually paradoxical and logically could not happen. However, Uelsmann releases us from the limitation of Photography’s imitation by disturbing the fact of surface. “Imaginary
    Space--Jerry Uelsmann Retrospective” is the best annotation for his photography art.

    Foreword of the exhibition

    The American photographer Jerry Uelsmann is widely recognized as one of the senior figures in international photography. He has devoted more than 50 years of his career to making photography. He is a pioneer advocate for ‘Post-Visualization”, breaking with the tradition of conceiving the image
    before taking the photography. He regards photography as the collection of materials and considers his work in the dark room to be a continuation of the process of exploration and discovery. His most famous technique is “combination printing,” in which images from two or more negative are
    blended on a single print. Even now, when images can be combined and edited quickly using computer software, Uelsmann continues to make his pictures by hand in the darkroom.

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    January 05

    Chinese Class - Folk Paper-cutting



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    January 04

    Chinese Pinyin - Kungfu Show: The Legend of Kungfu



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    Kungfu Show: The Legend of Kungfu

    The average performer is only 17 years old; they are young martial arts talents from all over China. They imitate certain animals in fierce fighting, including frogs, tigers and snakes, and reveal the ancient art of shadow boxing. The show also promises a number of eye-popping stunts, like
    smashing iron tablets over heads, and hitting people with thick wooden sticks. "

    The Legend of Kungfu” was previewed in July 2004 and premiered on December 3, 2004. Up to now, the show has accomplished more than 2000 performances in the Beijing Red Theatre. It is still popular, boasting a 98%-full house every evening. Many visitors thought it was the unsurpassed show they
    had seen in China. Mohamed Jaidah, a visitor from Qatar, came to see the show 3 nights running, and thought it was simply "a stunning experience."

    In 2005, the show was inaugurated into ‘the National Instructional Index for Commercial Cultural Products of Performing Arts and Exhibitions of the Year’ by the Ministry of Culture of China. The Legend of Kungfu had its first North America tour from August 2005 to January 2006. During that
    time, it played 150 performances in Vancouver, Toronto, Reno and other North American cities and won enormous audience admiration.

    In 2007, the show reached two new international markets. In July, the company performed in Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia. A tour of Japan followed in August, including Sapporo, Sendai, Osaka and Fukuoka. A second, five-city tour of Japan is planned for the spring of 2008.

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    Learning Chinese - Chinese Culture Center



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    Beijing Olympics—the 2nd Children Painting Competition of Chinese Cultural Center

    Time of soliciting contributions from March 15 to the end of June

    Contest on Beijing Olympics knowledge

    the end of March

    World Tai Chi Chuan Day activities April 26
    “Earth Park” Cultural and Artistic Festival May 11
    The 10th Malta European Film Festival at the St. James Artistic Center May 7
    Symposium on Beijing Olympics in the cultural center the end of April
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    Chinese Modern Watercolor Painting Exhibition in the cultural center from May to June
    Exhibition of Zheng He’s Great Voyages in St. James Artistic Center from June 25 to the end of July

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    January 03

    Learn Chinese - The Eight Eccentric Painters of Yangzhou













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    Plum Blossomsby Jin Nong

    After theFour Monk Painters, theQing Dynastysaw the rise of another revolutionary painting school in theEight Eccentric PaintersofYangzhou. The eight painters are Jin Nong, Huang Shen, Zheng Xie, Li Shan, Li Fangying, Wang Shishen, Gao Xiang and Luo Pin. Their paintings did not follow the old
    brushstroke conventions, making them look strange compared with other paintings of the time. In addition, these painters were proud and uncontrolled and had bold personalities; thus they were named the Eight Eccentric Painters.




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    January 02

    Chinese School - Chinese Culture Center













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    Malta





    Comprehensive Activities:

    Beijing Olympics—the 2nd Children Painting Competition of Chinese Cultural Center

    Time of soliciting contributions from March 15 to the end of June


    Contest on Beijing Olympics knowledge


    the end of March

    World Tai Chi Chuan Day activities April 26
    “Earth Park” Cultural and Artistic Festival May 11
    The 10th Malta European Film Festival at the St. James Artistic Center May 7
    Symposium on Beijing Olympics in the cultural center the end of April
    Exhibitions
    Chinese Modern Watercolor Painting Exhibition in the cultural center from May to June
    Exhibition of Zheng He’s Great Voyages in St. James Artistic Center from June 25 to the end of July

    Lecture\Symposium:


    "DiscoveringChina" lecture series





    Chinese Architecture 1 in the cultural center


    April 18

    Chinese Architecture 2 in the cultural center April 25

    Movies and TV:


    Perhaps Love


    Cultural center, June 13

    Sharpen Shears and Kitchen Knife Cultural center, June.20

    Teaching:

    Chinese class

    Cultural center, Tuesday and Wednesday


    Library:


    9,102 books in collection


    Monday, Wednesday, Friday PM, Tuesday, Thursday AM








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    skylee -

    Two of my favourite poems are 蘇幕遮 by 范仲淹 (Fan Zhongyan) and 江城子 by 蘇軾 (Su
    Shi) -


    Quote:

    "蘇幕遮"
    碧雲天,黃葉地。秋色連波,波上寒煙翠。山映斜陽天接水。芳草無情,更�
    ��斜陽外。

    黯鄉魂,追旅思。夜夜除非,好夢留人睡。明月樓高休獨倚。酒入愁腸,化�
    ��相思淚。



    Quote:

    "江城子"
    十年生死兩茫茫。不思量,自難忘。千裡孤墳,無處話淒涼。
    縱使相逢應不識,塵滿面,鬢如霜。

    夜來幽夢忽還鄉。小軒窗,正梳妝。相顧無言,惟有淚千行。
    料得年年腸斷處,明月夜,短松崗。

    Do note that these are "詞" (lyrics), thus the uneven length of the phrases. They were popular
    during Song Dynasty.



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    roddy -

    I'm not going to split this topic up, but I think it might be wise for you to start new topics to
    introduce new poets / poems - it'll be easier to follow for new visitors, and keep things a little
    bit more tidy.

    I could be wrong though. I'm not the police or anything.

    Roddy










    skylee -

    What? You are not the police now?










    roddy -

    No, I decided to 干 more 事实. Now get on with the poetry stuff.










    markalexander100 -

    Li Bai's making more sense now- thanks!










    skylee -

    I've just seen a movie featuring Andy Lau, and this has somehow reminded me of his old movie
    天若有情, and then Mao Zedong's poem "人民解放軍佔領南京" (what a name) -


    Quote:

    鐘山風雨起蒼黃,百萬雄師過大江。虎距龍盤今勝昔,天翻地覆慨而慷。
    宜將剩勇追窮寇,不可沽名學霸王。天若有情天亦老,人間正道是滄桑。

    But I only like the last part of this poem, which is also the most famous. Another one of his
    popular poems is "沁園春" -


    Quote:

    北國風光,千里冰封,萬里雪飄。望長城內外,惟餘莽莽;大河上下,
    頓失滔滔。山舞銀蛇,原馳蠟象,欲與天公試比高。須晴日,看紅妝素裹,�
    ��外妖嬈。

    江山如此多嬌,引無數英雄競折腰。惜秦皇漢武,略輸文采;唐宗宋祖,稍�
    ��風騷。一代天驕,成吉思漢,只識彎弓射大雕。俱往矣,數風流人物,還��
    �今朝。

    I don't think any ordinary/less confident man would dare to write such a poem, comparing oneself
    to Qin Shihuang, Han Wudi and Chinggis Khan, among others.










    garcia -

    衰蘭送客咸陽道,天若有情天亦老 this is from li he!!










    skylee -

    Sure that is from 李賀. But the first one I quoted is from 毛澤東 (obviously he
    stole/copied/borrowed something from 李賀).










    nnt -

    Two verses from 黄巢 :

    半肩弓劍憑天縱
    一掉江山盡地維

    Does anyone know if they are part of a poem or not ? The 全唐诗 contains only three poems from
    the Tang rebel, and these 2 verses are not included.










    garcia -

    恨世間、情是何物,直教生死相許。天南地北雙飛客,老翅幾回寒暑。
    歡樂趣。離別苦。就中更有痴兒女,君應有語,
    渺萬裡層雲,千山暮雪,只影為誰去

    how about this? i love this lyric very much.












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    i would like introduce a nice site, singapore united morning post, it's my all time favorate, as
    their articles usually from objective perspecitives, and without political motive(or some authers
    with totally different or opposite political pespictives),lots of news focus on taiwan, mainland,
    and hongkong. also a lots of debates there, and it‘s is actually a real "open forum" in
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    skylee -

    It is quite good. Plenty of interesting articles. Like -

    搶救馬英九: 拉臉皮 除眼袋 (ha ha ha)
    語法本來就是靈活的 (SVO? SOV? VSOP?)

    And you can turn them into traditional Chinese!

    Thanks for sharing.










    39degN -

    hehe, funny!

    BTW, sky, i have a question, do you think the 楷书 is readable on the site? i'm not sure about
    it, seems there are lots of traditional chinese site using it, but i dont think it's so
    reader-friendly.










    skylee -

    I am not sure I understand the question. The font of traditional Chinese on this site is just ...
    normal. No problem at all.










    39degN -

    yeah, the font is normal, but i just meant 宋体等印刷体 will be easier recognized than
    楷书, the thick strokes of 楷书 can simply make confusing. dont you t hink so?












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    wix -

    ChouDoufu wrote this another thread but I am quoting it here to start a new topic, because it is
    an interesting and important issue. Let the debate begin...



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by ChouDoufu

    Yes, learning Chinese characters are difficult. That's the only thing I agree with though. There
    are a lot of people who have a belief that writing systems should be phonetic (I find it
    incredibly ironic that a native English speaker is praising the English phonetic system. English
    phonetics don't make a lot of sense either--under pronunciation rules in english "ghoti" can sound
    like "fish). Well, obviously if a language had a phonetic alphabet, it makes it easier to write
    and read. But to say that All languages need to be phonetic is just ridiculous. What makes Chinese
    appealing to so many people are the characters. Without the characters, Chinese would be
    destroying thousands of years of history.

    I don't think they should do that in order to appease people who want to learn the language. I've
    always found characters to be rewarding and intruiging.

    Yes it's difficult, but it's the difficulties that make things interesting.






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    Anonymous -

    I pretty much agree with Chou Doufu. Also I'd like to add that one advantage characters have over
    a phonetic writing system is that with characters, readers immediately get the meaning in his or
    her head. It's almost like looking at a painting rather than just text. Good examples can be found
    in Japanese where the writing system is a mixture of characters (Kanji) and phoentic letters
    (kanas).

    However, a phoentic system is also extremely important and also has its advantages. This is why
    the Zhuyin Fuhao was first invented in the early 1900's and then later Hanyu Pinyin.










    roddy -

    Thanks for starting the thread wix, I hadn't had time to do it myself last night.



    Quote:

    readers immediately get the meaning in his or her head

    Sorry, but they don't. Nobody who hadn't studied Chinese (or any other simliar language could look
    at � and think fish - it's only through repeated association of the symbol and the idea that the
    meaning comes into your head.

    If readers immediately got the meaning in their head, we wouldn't need to learn Chinese - we would
    already know it.

    Roddy










    jwarriner -

    Kind of an interesting paradox here. Sure written language came after spoken language but the
    pictographic or ideographic nature of Chinese characters says to me that the effort to develop the
    written language wasn't based entirely on the spoken word but also attempted to pictorially
    represent the thing, concept, idea, etc. So once you know what a character means it seems to me
    possible that at least some of its meaning is taken in visually rather than aurally. Even with my
    limited knowledge of Chinese, there are times when I remember what a character means but not how
    to say it.
    And the use in China of certain characters in art of various forms suggests that much of its
    meaning is indeed transferred visually. There's a big difference between having a painting on the
    wall with
    DAO
    and one with


    cheers,
    john










    Anonymous -



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by roddy

    Thanks for starting the thread wix, I hadn't had time to do it myself last night.



    Quote:

    readers immediately get the meaning in his or her head

    Sorry, but they don't. Nobody who hadn't studied Chinese (or any other simliar language could look
    at ? and think fish - it's only through repeated association of the symbol and the idea that the
    meaning comes into your head.

    If readers immediately got the meaning in their head, we wouldn't need to learn Chinese - we would
    already know it.

    Roddy


    Uhm, you're kidding right? Although I didn't specify but I assumed people would know that I was
    talking about people who know the characters. Of course the modern Hanzi won't look like anything
    but scribbles to those who don't know Chinese...










    sudasana -

    You can't say that characters have a natural association with the idea they represent: even the
    ideographic class of characters is opaque to anyone who hasn't learned their meaning. In both
    character and phonetic writing you have a sign which corresponds to an idea. With characters, you
    have a vast number of signs, the pronounciation of which is bascially arbitrary, and varies by
    dialaect and time period. With phonetic writing, you have a small set of signs that indicate
    sounds.

    The Chinese writing system is ineffecient in that it requires a lot of investment in order to
    master written communication; in the past this helped keep the literati in power, by maintaining a
    monopoly on the creation and spread of texts. Regardless of its artistic or historical value, the
    character system has no benefits over a phonetic system. It's only the massive inertia of the
    character system that keeps it alive; Vietnam and Korea were successful in developing phonetic
    systems to write their languages, whereas in the past they used Chinese characters.

    I was pretty excited about Chinese characters too until I read Asia's Orthographic Dilemma. If you
    strip away the exoticism that comes with a 'strange' method of writing, you may realize that, at
    best, hanzi solve many of the problems that they themselves cause.










    roddy -



    Quote:

    one advantage characters have over a phonetic writing system is that with characters, readers
    immediately get the meaning in his or her head

    This means readers of phonetic scripts don't immediately get the meaning in their head, which is
    simply not true - I can't believe reading � is any more immediate than reading fish.

    I'd also like to agree with what sudsana wrote - and thanks for saving me the bother of typing it
    all.

    Roddy










    confucius -

    Using the Chinese character for fish is a horrible example to make a point for phonetics. The key
    to learning new words in Chinese is understanding the importance of compound meanings. This allows
    you to guess at the meaning of new words by immediately analyzing the two characters it's
    comprised of.
    For example, if I just write "nankan" in pinyin phonetics then a Chinese guy won't have any clue
    what it means. Yet when he sees the characters for "nan" and "kan" then at least he knows the new
    word means "something that is difficult to look at" and concludes that those two characters
    together mean "ugly"










    roddy -

    Yeah, I agree that once you've learnt the characters Chinese isn't so difficult - and like the
    ugly example, Chinese vocabulary can be beautifully logical.

    It's learning the characters in the first place that's the problem - not just for us, but for
    generations of Chinese people.

    Roddy










    roddy -

    And . . .(forgot this)

    I've been told that it's impossible to create an adequate phonetic system for Chinese, as there
    are so few phonemes you have too many homonyns.

    Sounds like rubbish to me. A phonetic script is simply one that includes all the information given
    by the spoken language - if you have a spoken language that works, then you can have a phonetic
    system. You just need a consistent orthagraphy - whether you do this with tone marks above vowels,
    numbers after syllables, or whatever, it'll work.

    Sure, you might have problems with words in isolation - context won't help you - but how often do
    you have words in isolation?

    Roddy












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    roddy -

    There's a topic on here about getting foreign languages mixed up. Does anyone find they start
    making a mess of their own language after too long working in Chinese?

    I'm finding my English getting more and more Chinese like. I've been known to ask people to 'open
    a light' rather than turn on one, and frequently have to go back to my office because I've
    forgotten to 'close my computer' rather than turn it off or shut it down.

    I've also made reference recently to a floor comb (floorbrush) and electric tap (plug). These are
    perhaps most worrying as I don't think they're even correct in Chinese, never mind English.

    Roddy



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    ChouDoufu -

    I think that just happens naturally. If you don't speak your native language enough with native
    speakers then your level definitely drops. If you said those things in the UK or the states then
    people would look at you funny.

    After a while, when people asked me questions about English I'd just say, "I should know the
    answer to that, but I don't because my English isn't nearly as good as it used to be."










    Humani -

    I do that, without even knowing chinese... I mean I'll say 'you close the computer, or?' instead
    of 'did you switch off the computer?' 'you put the CD where?' instead of 'where did you put the
    CD?'even when i can't say that sentence in chinese... we have conversations like that all the
    time, english words and chinese grammar.. no-one knows both languages properly... (and this is in
    england). it's a real effort, to start speaking properly when i'm with my family. my mum keeps
    telling me i've said a strange sentence, and i don't even notice..

    when i get around to learning these words in chinese, I hoping the word order will come natuarlly
    at least!










    Tsunku -

    I've been called out on my "Chinglish" more than once. Since I was living in China with a Chinese
    person (but mostly speaking English) it got really bad. I was supposed to be correcting my
    boyfriend's grammar and helping it out, but I was worse than he was.

    I still catch myself sometimes now that I'm back. What's worse is mixing Chinese into English. My
    friends probably think I'm trying to be ghetto with all the "nigga nigga." That was one that I
    *swore* to myself I would try not to import back to the states, but it pops out my mouth all the
    time anyhow.










    skylee -

    But this is what happens to us in HK all the time. We basically cannot say anything without mixing
    up Chinese and English. I have to make an effort to speak completely in Chinese.

    I recall back in univ, there was a teacher who was Taiwanese, educated in the US and taught in HK.
    He could not complete a sentence without using all three (mandarin, english and cantonese).










    confucius -

    I find it mildly annoying when I'm talking to native Chinese speakers and they somehow mix English
    words into their language despite the fact that suitable Chinese vocabulary exists. It's usually
    like this:
    "Nei ge Feizhou tongxue hen polite; wo xiang qing ta lai women de party."
    In my mind I always immediately translate whatever English words were just spoken into the proper
    Mandarin, sometimes I even interrupt them with the appropriate Chinese word.










    wix -



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by confucius

    I find it mildly annoying when I'm talking to native Chinese speakers and they somehow mix English
    words into their language despite the fact that suitable Chinese vocabulary exists.


    confucius, I agree. Foreigners in China are also guilty of doing the same while speaking English.
    e.g. Let's go out for a few pijiu's and so on. It is really only useful when you are using a word
    which is difficult to translate or has no equivalent in the other language.










    jekor -

    One girl I spoke with in Japan switched between Esperanto, English, and Japanese all within the
    same sentence. By the end of one day of speaking with her, not only was I exhausted, but I was
    doing the same thing myself. I wish I had a recording of the conversation we had while I was
    showing her how to transfer images from her digital camera to her computer...










    pazu -



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by confucius

    I find it mildly annoying when I'm talking to native Chinese speakers and they somehow mix English
    words into their language despite the fact that suitable Chinese vocabulary exists. It's usually
    like this:
    "Nei ge Feizhou tongxue hen polite; wo xiang qing ta lai women de party."
    In my mind I always immediately translate whatever English words were just spoken into the proper
    Mandarin, sometimes I even interrupt them with the appropriate Chinese word.



    Oh Confucius, for the first time I agree with you totally!

    This is something I hate too. I'm Chinese, but whenever Chinese talked to me with too much
    unnecessary interruption of English words, I just told them if they could speak Chinese well...
    it's just too annoying. Do you know the pianist Lang Lang? (I forgot his name in Chinese... LONG
    LONG in Cantonese anyway), he was interviewed on RTHK when he was in Hong Kong, and I wonder what
    he's really want to tell, e.g. "wo juede zheshi hen... IN'NOVATIVE ,,, hen you CHUANGYI, wo hai
    shi hen xihuan zhexie MUSIC,,, jiushi YINYUE!

    Okay, he didn't use this wording, but I'm just trying to do what he did in the interview.

    Oh what the hell he was talking about? Like going in an English lesson, tell you an English word,
    then come with a Chinese explanation. This is really some of the most annoying thing you can hear.

    But of course, I don't mind to put some English words into conversation, but they should be
    necessary or at least accepted by most people. Like CD, i-cable (a company name in Hong Kong, they
    have a Chinese name too), NOTEBOOK (computer), MOUSEEEE (computer), etc.










    skylee -

    The pianist's name is 郎朗.












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    Chinese Tutor - JOB OPPORTUNITIES Beijing ? -








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    beijingbooty -

    Can anyone offer any advice on what sort of job opportunities would be available for me in Beijing.
    I guess the most obvious is teaching english, but I do not have a University degree so does that
    limit me in that respect ?
    I do want to go and live.work in Bejing with my chinese wife however I really am at a loss as to
    what sort of work I would be able to get that pays well. What sort of "good" opportunites are
    there for mandarin speaking europeans ?
    Any advice would be great.


    My situation is:
    native english speaker 32 years old.
    LANGUAGE: Intermediate mandarin, good enough for basic communication in a workplace. Constantly
    improving
    TRADE: printing industry prepress operatior - typesetting, design techinal operation etc.



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    TSkillet -

    Officially, not having a University degree does limit you - but in practice, it's certainly been
    done quite a lot. If the legalness worries you - look into private teaching. Try snooping around
    thatsbeijing.com












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    Chinese language - i've seen this in a comic -








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    Jill77 -

    Any idea about the meaning?

    thanks



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    skylee -

    西



    It means "Spain". Very bad handwriting.












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    Learning Chinese - 摔倒 vs 摔到 or 摔到了 -








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    Luobot -

    ( 1 ) 摔倒 Shuāidǎo
    ( 2 ) 摔到 Shuāi dào ( or with the seemingly obligatory 了) 摔到了 Shuāi dàole

    Both are defined as “to fall” and the characters ( 倒 / 到 ) are close enough to have
    confused me for a while into thinking they were the same, until just now, when I realized there
    was a tone difference (dao3 vs. dao4) and looked more closely.

    So, does anyone know if there's a difference in usage between these two terms or are they
    interchangeable in sentences?



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    monto -

    ( 1 ) 摔倒 Shuāidǎo: to fall down, lying after 摔.
    我看到有人跑过去把摔倒的老人扶了起来。
    ( 2 ) 摔到 Shuāi dào ( or with the seemingly obligatory 了) 摔到了 Shuāi dàole
    a> 摔到(摔到了) = 摔着(摔着了)to be made to fall
    John slipped in night. Jack (in concern): 你摔到了吗?John: 差一点。没摔到。
    b> 摔到 to throw something onto.....
    他把杯子摔到(了)地上










    semantic nuance -

    Hmmm, I'll try to explain but mind you this is totally out of my instinct instead of any
    grammatical rules. My understanding is that:

    You can take 摔 alone kind of like transitive verb. For exmaple: 我摔了一跤. 摔倒 , kind
    of like phrasal verb (倒 like off). As for 摔到..., you may take 到 once again as an
    preposition to indicate where and what you fall on(i.e. on the ground, on knees, etc.)

    我摔倒了. I fell off.
    我摔倒在地上了. I fell off on the ground.
    我摔到地上去了. I fell off on the ground.
    我摔到膝蓋了. I fell off and hurt my knees.

    Hope it helps!










    foryou1437 -

    摔倒 vs 摔到 or 摔到了 Remember the rule just a subject and a singel verb cannt make a
    sentene in China
    !

    The three phrases all contain "fall/tumble" respectively. 倒 means "a status, over" , 到 means"
    to affect", 了 means" already"

    The first 摔倒 will be followed with a Where to complete a full sentence , such as ,摔倒 on
    the ground. 我摔倒在地上。I fall myeself on the ground
    the third 摔到了 = 摔倒, but needs no any more following word . 了 here equal to already.
    我摔倒了。I fall myself .

    The second 摔到 contain two part, 摔 and 到. 到 means "to afftect". So 摔到 = fall and
    afftect , here = fall and hurt . 我摔到膝盖。I fall and hurt my knees.










    Luobot -

    Thanks, everyone, for the explanations.












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